Dead snuke poll
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ante_up_losersI hope you all have had a restful few weeks! It is almost time to think about sign-ups for our Ante Up Losers Winter Exchange, so we wanted to get the wrap-up poll out of the way, to see how you thought the bang went, and to get your ideas and suggestions for next year.
I was planning to make this a super-duper well-researched and well-thought-out poll, but unfortunately I am writing it in the airport and must be done before boarding time which is in 42 minutes. So you get the things I can think of and the ability to tell us anything you want in comments (screened, unless you tell us it's okay to unscreen).
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 14
Did you participate in the Big Bang this year?
Yes, I made a bang!
1 (7.1%)
Yes, I made a complement!
2 (14.3%)
Yes, I commented/cheerleaded/betaed/whipcracked!
0 (0.0%)
Yes, I made bangs *and* complements!
3 (21.4%)
Yes, I made bangs *and* commented/cheerleaded/betaed/whipcracked!
0 (0.0%)
Yes, I made complements *and* commented/cheerleaded/betaed/whipcracked!
2 (14.3%)
Yes, I DID IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLL.
2 (14.3%)
Sort of - I signed up but couldn't complete (no guilt - life happens, yo).
3 (21.4%)
No, but I really wanted to!
0 (0.0%)
Nope.
1 (7.1%)
On a scale of 1-10, how much fun did you have with this bang?
Mean: 8.45 Median: 9 Std. Dev 1.50
| The least amount of fun had by anyone, ever 1 | 0 (0.0%) | |
|---|---|---|
| 2 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 3 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 4 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 5 | 1 (9.1%) | |
| 6 | 0 (0.0%) | |
| 7 | 2 (18.2%) | |
| 8 | 1 (9.1%) | |
| 9 | 4 (36.4%) | |
| So much fun I thought I'd gone to Losers heaven! 10 | 3 (27.3%) |
How did you feel about the team process and collaboration?
I liked the *idea* of a team
6 (50.0%)
I liked my team
5 (41.7%)
I liked some of my teams
3 (25.0%)
I didn't like my team
0 (0.0%)
I didn't like some of my teams
1 (8.3%)
I wish I could have gone it alone
0 (0.0%)
I wish I could have had (a) bigger team(s)
0 (0.0%)
I wish my team(s) had been more formalized
1 (8.3%)
I wish my team(s) had been more seat-of-their-pants
0 (0.0%)
I wish my team(s) had been more active
4 (33.3%)
I wish my team(s) had been less active
0 (0.0%)
I wish we had a team community
0 (0.0%)
I don't like the idea of teams
0 (0.0%)
My team was really collaborative and I liked it
2 (16.7%)
My team was really collaborative and it wasn't my thing
0 (0.0%)
My team wasn't collaborative and I wish it had been
3 (25.0%)
My team wasn't collaborative and I'm glad it wasn't
0 (0.0%)
I'll be thinking about teams for next year
6 (50.0%)
I'll be avoiding next year if I have to be on a team
1 (8.3%)
I have other thoughts on teams which I may or may not elaborate on below
1 (8.3%)
How did you feel about the sign-up process?
I didn't understand it at all
0 (0.0%)
It was a little confusing
4 (33.3%)
It was clear as a bell
3 (25.0%)
I liked the comment thread thing on DW
8 (66.7%)
I liked DW but not the comment thread thing
0 (0.0%)
I wish it could be on AO3 like the other Ante Up
1 (8.3%)
I liked that there wasn't really a hard deadline on sign-ups
7 (58.3%)
I didn't like that there wasn't really a hard deadline on sign-ups
0 (0.0%)
I was intimidated to jump in on some of the teams
3 (25.0%)
I wanted more people to jump in on my team
4 (33.3%)
I wish less people had jumped in on my team
0 (0.0%)
I liked that the teams were all different sizes
4 (33.3%)
I wish the teams had all been the same size
0 (0.0%)
I have other issues with the sign-up process not related to the team thing
0 (0.0%)
I have other issues with the sign-up process related to the team thing
1 (8.3%)
I have other things to say about the sign-up process that I may or may not comment on below
0 (0.0%)
How did you feel about the amount of time to produce the bang-sized works?
It was too long
0 (0.0%)
It was just right
9 (69.2%)
It was not long enough
2 (15.4%)
I used the month the complement creatorrs were working to edit, get betaed, and tweak
3 (23.1%)
I used the time people were making complements to finish
3 (23.1%)
I was ready to go on the bang deadline
1 (7.7%)
I have other thoughts about the amount of time that I may or may not share below
3 (23.1%)
How did you feel about the amount of time to produce complements?
It was not long enough
1 (9.1%)
It was just right
8 (72.7%)
It was too long
0 (0.0%)
My complements required the bang to be finished
4 (36.4%)
I was working on the complement the whole time my teammate was creating the bang
3 (27.3%)
My bang creator wasn't finished on time and it didn't impact my complement
1 (9.1%)
My bang creator wasn't finished on time and it impacted my complement
4 (36.4%)
I have other thoughts about the amount of time to make complements, and I may or may not share them below
1 (9.1%)
How did you feel about the timing of the bang in general?
I wish it had been longer
4 (50.0%)
I wish it had been shorter
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had started earlier
4 (50.0%)
I wish it had starter later
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had ended earlier
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had ended later
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had started and ended earlier
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had started and ended later
0 (0.0%)
I wish it had started earlier and ended later
1 (12.5%)
I wish it had started later and ended earlier
0 (0.0%)
You have not adequately covered my feelings about the timing! I may or may not address this below.
2 (25.0%)
Remembering that the winter exchange sign-ups are in October and the stories go live in Feb, let's talk about timing. When should sign-ups start?
When should bangs be due?
May
1 (8.3%)
June
0 (0.0%)
July
2 (16.7%)
August
8 (66.7%)
How many radio buttons do you have? What is going on here?
1 (8.3%)
When should complements be due (this is the date of reveals, too)?
June
0 (0.0%)
July
1 (7.7%)
August
3 (23.1%)
September
7 (53.8%)
OMG seriously. Ticky.
2 (15.4%)
What would be your ideal go-live date range?
July 4th-ish
0 (0.0%)
Mid- to late July
1 (8.3%)
Early to mid-August
1 (8.3%)
Late August
0 (0.0%)
Labor day weekend-ish
5 (41.7%)
Mid-September
1 (8.3%)
Late September
1 (8.3%)
HOW CAN YOU MAKE ME PICK JUST ONE. WHERE HAVE ALL THE TICKYS GONE. :((((((((((
3 (25.0%)
I have other feelings about the timing of the sign-ups, bangs, complements and reveal and may or may not address that below.
How did you like the format, of bangs and complements being any type of fanwork?
Loved it!
10 (76.9%)
Hated it!
0 (0.0%)
I don't feel particularly strongly about it!
1 (7.7%)
I liked all the possibilities
8 (61.5%)
I'd prefer fewer options
1 (7.7%)
I'm okay with bangs of any stripe, but I'd prefer complements to be particular types of fanworks
0 (0.0%)
I'm okay with complements of any stripe, but I'd prefer bangs to be particular types of fanworks
3 (23.1%)
It inspired me to try something different
5 (38.5%)
It made me paralyzed with fear over all my choices
1 (7.7%)
I enjoyed consuming the variety of fanworks
9 (69.2%)
I only read/looked at/watched/listened to a limited number of types of fanworks
3 (23.1%)
You have not adequately captured my feels – I may or may not comment below
2 (15.4%)
How did you feel about the size requirements on bangs?
I wish they'd been bigger
1 (8.3%)
I liked them where they were
7 (58.3%)
I wish they'd been smaller
0 (0.0%)
I have no particular opinion on this matter
2 (16.7%)
This goes hand in hand with timing above (i.e. I'd like more time and bigger bangs or less time and smaller ones)
4 (33.3%)
The size doesn't relate to timing for me
2 (16.7%)
I have other things to say about bang size requirements that I may or may not comment on below
1 (8.3%)
How did you feel about size requirements on complements?
I wish they'd been bigger
0 (0.0%)
I liked them where they were
9 (75.0%)
I wish they'd been smaller
0 (0.0%)
This goes hand in hand with timing above (i.e. I'd like more time and bigger complements or less time and smaller ones)
1 (8.3%)
The size doesn't relate to timing for me
1 (8.3%)
I wish there weren't any size requirements on complements
2 (16.7%)
I wish I could do informal complements of any size, a la the Ante Up Scramble
6 (50.0%)
I have feels! About complements! And they are not listed here. I may or may not comment below
0 (0.0%)
I know I missed some stuff, so here's a text box to tell me all your feels. If you prefer not to have your answers visible (they're anonymized but still visible), please comment to the post – they're screened and only the mods will see them.
And just in case there wasn't enough space, here is another!
And one more, just to be safe.
+ Sign-ups will begin as soon as we can get the collection on AO3 up and running.
+ We are going to include other types of fanworks in the exchange this year, so that might take some time to mess around with sign-up sheet and figure out size requirements. (Suggestions welcome!)
+ We will probably make sign-ups pretty quick, just a week or so, so tell all your friends! Get them excited to receive their own Losers fanwork! We usually get about 100 new Losers fanworks during this fest, and with the addition of fanworks other than fic, we hope to knock this out of the park. Let's show the multi-fandom how awesome our little corner is!
+ The 2012 Scramble collection will be open until sign-ups close, and then it will be closed and the 2013 Scramble collection will open after assignments have been sent out.
+ If you defaulted in either of the previous years, you must complete a 1000 word Losers story and upload it to the 2012 Scramble to be able to participate in this year's fest. If you'd like to produce a fanwork other than a story, please contact a mod to see what size fanwork you need to produce (until we post the size requirements).
+ We'll post the timing of sign-ups, assignments, posting, go-live, and reveals as soon as we get it worked out. We'll also post size requirements for fanworks other than fic ASAP.
+ If you will be creating a non-text fanwork, we will require you to put it on our website for the duration of the unrevealed portion of the fest (to preserve anonymity). As soon as the creators are revealed, you can ask us to take down the work and move it to your own hosting space (or you can let us keep hosting – we're happy to).
+ Please consider starting your Dear Fanwork Creator letter (you can post locked to yourself until you get your assignment if you like) so you can have a link to put in your sign-up. This helps the mods immensely. And also gets our creatorly juices flowing for works to be put in the Scramble.
+ Just sayin': This fandom is sooooooooooooo amazing. So many awesome people, so many awesome fanwork creators. Let's have a lot of fun with this!
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Date: 2012-10-13 05:53 am (UTC)(you can unscreen this or not or whatever.)
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Date: 2012-10-13 06:01 am (UTC)Thoughts on vids - feel free to unscreen
Date: 2012-10-13 08:20 am (UTC)For a big bang-sized vidding project though, I think 8 minutes is a little long, at least for a hard and fast minimum. There are different schools of thought on vidding aesthetics, but it's extremely common for vidders to use conventional rock/pop and to trim out extra choruses and noodling at the end of a song to make it tighter and more viddable. The vast majority of standard radio hits will end up being 2-3.5 minutes if one does this, which means that 8 minutes is probably, realistically, 3 vids. I've seen some meta and been in some discussions about vid length and difficulty, and the general consensus is that (assuming some degree of revision and care), there's a sharp change somewhere between 3.5 minutes and 4 minutes where the vid stops feeling like a normal, not-too-hard vid and starts feeling like an epic. Anything from maybe 4-6 minutes requires a whole different kind of structure and approach in order to not be boring. Anything 8-10 minutes and you're vidding Meat Loaf... err... I mean to say, and it's that much more difficult again and requires an even more epic structure.
If we're talking about normal music video-style vids, I think a more realistic guideline for a big bang-size work would be to vid a single song that's at least 5 minutes or to do two vids that total 6 minutes or more. (Or to use a requirement about the content of the vid rather than the length.) Expecting 8 minutes to be 2 vids is pretty much asking for both vids to be padded to meet the length requirement instead of tightened to be better vids. The fic minimum of 10k is on the lenient side for a big bang, while the vidding requirement is intimidating, and I say this as someone who finds vidding a lot easier than writing.
I just poked the people hanging out in #vidding, and the only thing they brought up was that a big bang vid ought to have a plot if it's the primary work. It's like what zoronoa said about art: a portrait of someone's face doesn't give you much to work off of if you're doing a complement, while a scene or an AU version of a character does. A narrative vid or one that sets up a clear constructed reality or crossover or something would give a complement creator something to work with. A vid that's just every time X looks hot, not so much.
You could also do it by technical aspects of vidding and how those affect effort, but that has the problem that it not only privileges one sort of vidding aesthetic over another but also favors the expensive and/or weird vidding programs over WMM and iMovie. (I don't mean "effects" here since that's usually code for "adding heart wipes and sparkles" at the press of a button; I mean stuff like the credits parodies I did. I ended up finishing them pretty fast, but each Charlie's Angels outline and each Losers credit was essentially its own minor graphics project in GIMP.) Actually, from that perspective, you could do it like some of the other requirements: 1 vid to a song over X minutes or 1 vid with significant technical complexity or any number of vids of any sort adding up to Y minutes.
Re: Thoughts on vids - feel free to unscreen
Date: 2012-10-13 05:55 pm (UTC)This is even better that you gave us a reasonable time frame to work from that then gives us an easy complement size (1.5 minutes - that's reasonable, yes? Or would you suggest 1 minute?).
I agree with the plot idea in theory, but I actually think requiring one is just not something we will do (as I could write a 10k plotless story pretty easily so it seems unfair to make that requirement of some fan works but not all (not to mention some of the works are simply never going to be able to have plot)). Besides, complements don't necessarily have to be directly based on the bang, a relationship of some sort is all that's really required, so there are any number of ways to deal with plotless bangs.
I think the same goes for technical requirements for exactly the reasons you pointed out above. One of our biggest goals with this fest is to make it inclusive; we want anyone to participate in any way they can, no matter what their skill level, available technologies, or interests.
Re: Thoughts on vids - feel free to unscreen
Date: 2012-10-13 06:21 pm (UTC)a 1-minute minimum would allow the vid equivalent of a few drabbles
1.5-2 minutes is more like a single 1k-2k story
(I realize one could theoretically do several vids for any time length, but because of the way people typically use music, that's not what's going to happen for most short time lengths in practice. 2 1-minute vids are much more work than 1 2-minute one, generally speaking.)
But, yeah, if you want to stick with that nice, clean 1/4th thing, 6 minutes vs. 1.5 minutes sounds pretty reasonable to me. That makes the bang similar (IMO) to either a couple of several-thousand-word stories or to one of those "10k" stories that eats your head and ends up more like 20 or 30k.
Re: Thoughts on vids - feel free to unscreen
Date: 2012-10-14 05:31 pm (UTC)Also - thank you SO MUCH for all your comments. I know how much time it takes to write out feedback like this, and all of your thoughts and suggestions and everything are so helpful to us, so THANK YOU. :D